So I’m over on one of the Facebook RPG groups and read an intro to a post that made me eye roll:
All the other stuff aside, Wizards of the Coast get a lot of extra credit from me for including the following text from the Basic Rules set:
_________________“You don’t need to be confined to binary notions of sex and gender. The elf god Corellon Larethian is often seen as androgynous or hermaphroditic, for example, and some elves in the multiverse are made in Corellon’s image. You could also play a female character who presents herself as a man, a man who feels trapped in a female body, or a bearded female dwarf who hates being mistaken for a male. Likewise, your character’s sexual orientation is yours to decide.”
_________________Brilliant.
Now, don’t get me wrong — I don’t particularly care about people sexuality unless we’re having an intimate moment together; outside of that, it’s none of my business. We’ve had bisexuals, homosexuals, and one transvestite that was a bit of an odd character (and not because he dressed as a woman), as well as a stripper who wanted to play in the nude…much odder — doesn’t bother me. In game, there’s been plenty of sexual issues and non-standard characters.
But especially after the “Don’t let you parent enforce gender binaries” bullshit on the slide at my kids park — a park for 3-5 year olds — I’ve had my fill of Progressive reformist nonsense.
My response was my usual snarky, sarcastic self. “Can’t we just play without somebody bringing gender politics into everything?”
At this point, I apparently did the internet version of shit on their dinner table.
The immediate response is the classic example of reformist twats at their worst:
No we can’t.
Not when oppression and objectification still exists within the greater community of roleplaying.And if you can’t understand that you’re part of the problem.
Oooo…sick burn, man. I hope you can fit all that self-importance through your bedroom door, or you’ll be in real danger of disappointing that lesbian transexual woman with a taste for making her male subs watch.
Now for the less asshole-ish response: 1) Oppression? If you feel you are being oppressed by your gaming group — you’re in the wrong fuckin’ game group. 2) Objectification? Listen, ladies, if the men are treating you like a sexual object, or just the “girl at the game”…you’re in the wrong fuckin’ game group.
I had a related issue with group way back in the ’90s where all the players were treating the female at the table like their “kid sister” (their view point), when they were actually treating her like some doll to be joked over and ignored (my POV.) I made a point of teaming up with her character and forcing the guys to take her seriously. It worked.
No whining about gender norms. No filing lawsuits. No puffing out my chest in righteous indignation about how much of a feminist I was. Just play and treat everyone the same. (“Just like shit…” LCDR Richard Marcinko.)
And if I can understand that, if makes you a bit of a pretentious prat, Mr. Angry About the Latest Trendy to be Angry About.
But wait! There’s more from the guy that started the thread:
Because sex and gender is pivotal to the human condition. We play ROLE playing games, and those include many different lifestyles and cultures. That’s why.
Wow — I got told, huh? Back to Mr. Angry About the Latest Trendy Thing to be Angry About:
Go play with your game group if you want to escape reality, or a singleplayer videogame.
The internet (and this community) is made up of people from reality, so that whole argument is moot.
And as a society/community we wish to include/cater to people of all genders/sexualities. Just because you don’t want to acknowledge their presence whilst you play your game doesn’t mean we shouldn’t see it as an issue that should be tackled (and is starting to be by WotC).As Spock so aptly put it “the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few”, and we all NEED to accept/acknowledge our NB compatriots.
Did you just, in the space of saying you’re “from reality” quote Spock at me? Better yet, you use a quote that actually runs contrary to the very thing you are bitching about: a small subculture — the few — wants to be treated normally by the main culture, or the many (or peckish white patriarchy, if it’ll make you feel more accepted), then make a point of being as contentious as they can on the issue…only to be shocked when the many don’t rally to the cause of the few.
But that’s “gender binaries” for you. Darned breeders.
Here’s a notion you might not have considered, Mr. AATLTTBAA. I don’t have to accept or acknowledge your lifestyle, because I’m not affected by it. Because I am a decent fellow, I do feel I have to tolerate you and treat you like i do most people. To a point. That point is when you make an ass out of yourself. (Which I was declared to be doing for not reflexively applauding WOTC for their “inclusiveness.”) Accept you? Nope, I don’t have to do that. And I’m less like to do so when you are a posturing tit.
Now considering Dungeons & Dragons is marketed to teens, I can see where WOTC wants to be warm and cuddly, but there is a question of appropriateness. There are kids that are not yet sexualized reading the book. There are kids who are in the early stages of puberty and most don’t need confusing concepts tossed at them.
Mr. AATLTTTBAA again:
I don’t see how teaching children about the spectrum and lifestyle choices could be inappropriate.
I’m guessing because you don’t have kids. Granted, Progressives slinging gender around as a political mace don’t see problems with sex education for kindergarteners, either…but then, the reformist impulse Progressivism inherited from the new religiosity of the Second Great Awakening is only concerned with being right. Whether an argument over slavery, gender, or forcing people to stop drinking or doing narcotics, or disarming the public — they just want to win the argument.
A perfect case to illustrate this is a close relative of mine who has had trouble with every PTA, library board, Democrat Party committee, local government board they’ve been on. Recently, this person was staggered that the library board could not move on an obvious issue — that front desk the library has had since I can remember. This person decides a new one is needed, but the board takes no action. “My son-in-law can build it for cheap!” They still are not convinced. My wife asks the relative after hearing this, “Did you ask them if they needed a new desk?”
“Well, no…but they need a new desk.”
The desires (not needs) of the few probably have no impact on the “going about my life” of the many.
WOTC took the opposite approach to a vocal portion of the gaming community who apparently define themselves primarily by their sexuality or gender, and who demand that we acknowledge them. The paragraph isn’t particularly offensive, so much as it is tiresome after 10 years of listening to half-witted academics talk about “gender binaries” like the universe (or most folks just trying to feed their families) gives a shit we don’t like our sexual choices. But like my relative, squeezing your opinion on the latest trendy “issue” into every place you can, regardless of whether it is wanted or appropriate, is unlikely to win you traction from anyone but your own subculture. (As if gaming weren’t a small enough one…)
6 July, 2014 at 16:25
I gamed through the “pogroms” of the late 70s and 80s orchestrated by such luminaries as the PMRC, Pat Roberson, Rona Jaffe, and others, who said that we were all being brainwashed into devil worshipers or worse. D&D has always been controversial, and I wonder if the idiots at WOTC remember those days when to say you played the game got you weird looks. Now, are people who play the game going to be viewed as sexually confused by the rest of the world?
WOTC led the charge with the constant and annoying swapping of the he/she pronoun, and this just smacks of political correctness, pandering, and jamming a leftist agenda down gaming’s throat.
6 July, 2014 at 17:40
Now, see! See the oppression inherent in the (game) system!?!
24 October, 2019 at 13:37
What was Pat Robertson like as a GM? Lawful Good biased? Lots of diamond mining?
7 January, 2015 at 20:43
You sound like you’ve never been female, gay/bi, trans, or nonbinary and actually been at the receiving end of sexism, transphobia, or other kinds of discrimination. This active extending-of-a-hand to people who have historically had to play life on a harder game mode than straight white boys is, you know, helpful and makes people feel welcome.
Now if you’d kindly stop shoving your oblivious autistic-libertarian straight white guy behavior in everybody’s face, we can all get on with our lives.
7 January, 2015 at 22:59
I’d suggest you could carry on with your life, regardless of my opinion. If not, you might want to look into your own sense of self-worth. Either way, nice try with the “you’ve never been…” as you know nothing about my past, and the necessary ad hominen attacks that “tolerant” folks feel when someone does not reflexively gush over their lifestyle, or shock! isn’t a raving progressive who seeks to envy and hate anyone that disagrees with them.
I’ve never given a damn if someone is homosexual, what color they are, what they do for a living, or what they believe, so long as they respect the boundaries set, and I’ve always tried to treat everyone the same as i’d like to be. My experience over 30+ years of playing RPGs has shown most gamers tend to be a tolerant, if not accepting, lot judging from the number of homosexuals, non-wites, women, and yes (gasp!) a transexual…because “libertarians” actually believe in leaving people be who they are.
8 January, 2015 at 05:25
You demand tolerance to your way of life or beliefs, yet are intolerant of those who may hold differing views and beliefs. If anyone is shoving an agenda in someone’s face it’s you…and since this is an opinion blog, and no one is forcing you to read it, the easiest thing to do is simply get on with your life and not read it.
8 January, 2015 at 07:10
Thanks, Kurt. S/he’s entitled to hir opinion and because I’m an inclusive sort of fellow, the comment is here for all to see.
It didn’t offend me. It didn’t convince me to shut up. It didn’t win me over. But the person got to vent.
Now for coffee.
14 December, 2015 at 18:12
Which is one of the many, many reasons I stick with the old school 1st edition. Far less polished, both in art and writing, clearly a work of passion rather than committee. And far, far from politically correct, as are the classic fantasy stories as well as the original tales of myth, folklore, history and legend that inspire them.
Gaming is under no obligation to be shackled to anyone’s ideology. Like you, I fought that battle in the 80s with the religious right and their idiocy (lost some friends over it). With equal vigor I oppose the “progressive Left” and their attempts to color gaming with their choice of world view.
We game how we game. You game how you game. Any game or gamers that demand that I cleave to their notions, they can about face and march out, for they will get neither my money or the time of day.
6 April, 2018 at 05:15
The big D&D 5e facebook group is even worse now. Say something about a terrible peice of character art – banned. Say something about someone’s lame-asrse homemade d20 tattoo – banned. Say anything that strays from the SJW playbook – banned. Join another D&D facebook group that allows free speech – banned.
29 June, 2018 at 08:39
I hate how D&D has fallen into the toilet because of people like Kurt and K there “muh lifestyle choices” and “muh safe space” is more important! Listen, you 2 your SJW BS has caused so much damage to this community and many others.
People are getting fed up with it. If you want your safe space and respect your lifestyle choices go play with same minded people and don’t push your ideology onto others. I will play any game with anyone that is there to play and not push their agenda onto others.
29 June, 2018 at 13:51
Hold on there, Quick Draw…I am definitely on the anti-SJW side of the argument and think that D&D has suffered for catering to the snowflakes of the community. I await your retraction and correction.
29 June, 2018 at 13:59
Quick draw? Chuckle…
29 June, 2018 at 13:52
I don’t agree D&D has “fallen into 5e toilet”, so much as I don’t need every aspect of my life politicized. I would disagree that the SJW whinging has “ruined the community”, but it does mean that you need to be more selective about who you game with. I didn’t have a problem with any of the folks mentioned in the original post, but I’m much more selective about those that sit at our table because 1) I have a young kid about, 2) I find the politically-charged gamer tiresome, and 3) they tend to commit the one sin of gaming: they’re not fun to be around
They are welcome to their opinions, and they can shout it out all they like…I just don’t have to listen to it.
29 March, 2019 at 19:46
Elves questioning their sexuality, Dwarves transitioning, the under-representation of female fighters, Orc safe spaces, Halfling “Me Too” movements and etc., etc., etc. simply doesn’t exist in my D&D world.
My D&D world is a Frank Frazetta painting come to life. It’s everything that makes special people shriek and fall into their Victorian Era fainting couches. Always has been. Always will be.
If the kids today want the politically correct baggage in their D&D world, that’s fine. But I go with D&D old school rules and themes.